the door to door work is a sham.. the central activity of the watchtower bible and tract society is not spreading their so-called "message" about the kingdom of jehovah established in the heavens in 1914.. that's a load of propaganda.. the door to door activity is feckless in producing converts.
in fact, it is an immense failure of mammoth proportions!.
but, it is a diversion.
They haven't been "free" that long in the entire scheme of things. I can't imagine any older Dub saying they have always been free. I'll have to try some similar questions. If they can't remember all the many many years worth of service meetings designed to unindoctrinate the sales pitch and indoctrinate the donation pitch they either have brain disease or they are indeed lying.
Weren't the larger books $2 or $2.50 and mags 50 cents at the time they stopped charging a fixed price?
"spawn of satan!".
"apostate!".
those are just a few from jehovah's witnesses towards those who have left the watchtower organization to become a follower of jesus christ.. do they know they are blaspheming against the holy spirit?
Another Trinity discussion?
No. No it isn't. Don't try to make it one.
Here, let me save you guys some time. Here's a hammer, here is a bowl full of Jell-o..Now go nail it to that tree.
Indeed.
The original post is dogmatic, and is doing the same thing that many ex-JW complain about with JW's. It is pushing a beleif down the throat of others under the guise of spiritual enlightment.
No, it isn't.
The JW's claim they are followers of Jesus Christ too. Why would they curse you for that? That is a misrepresentation. They curse you for not being in thier club anymore, and not beleiving what they beleive.
They can claim it all they want but say "praise Jesus" around one of them (or worse, a gang of them) and see what happens. Then again, this isn't really the thrust of the thread, either. It's a side point at best, a strawman at worst.
Sorry to give some of you a big glass of reality, but, uh, many ex-JW's do the same...
That is the point, and if you want to still be as dogmatic as the JW's in your beleifs even after you have left them then go right ahead. But, keep in mind, that to the outsider, your still being "pharasaic" and you are still "closing the heavens up" to those who dont agree with your particular interpretation.
That is YOUR point, which has little or nothing to do with the intent of this thread. Thanks for sharing it, though. It is valid in many respects.
Dont confuse a new target, and a re-shuffle of beleifs as spiritual enlightment. Otherwise, you may just find yourself steeped in a big pile of steaming hipocrasy that never smells to you...
Until it is pointed out.
Good advice for all. But why you feel it applies to sacolton still isn't clear. True, trinitarians beleive the Holy Spirit is an individual, as sacolton points out in his post, but so would any non-Christian reader of the Bible scriptures he lists.
"spawn of satan!".
"apostate!".
those are just a few from jehovah's witnesses towards those who have left the watchtower organization to become a follower of jesus christ.. do they know they are blaspheming against the holy spirit?
The funniest part is the accusation of "buzzwords" coming from a Dub. The Dubs invented their own language as part of their mind control mechanism and they accuse "opposers" and "apostates" of using buzzwords.
I think if someone is suffering a lot of pain with a prognosis of imminent death, an overdose of painkiller is probably ok.
Not a great option in any other case I can think of.
may you all have peace!.
a little while ago a dear one referred to my trip to "bethel" and discussion with carey barber.
he asked if he could read them.
Appreciate your input, snowbird. The fact that both you and Outlaw seem to respect her is one key reason I haven't written her off as a troll. I still can't believe that the voices are 'real' but at least Shelby's genuine.
(by 'real' I mean from an intelligent external source)
"As elders, you have no obligation to reveal this type of information to the authorities."
Romans 13:1,2
I knew they covered up pedophiles but murderers, too? Pardon my Irish but WTF?!?
may you all have peace!.
a little while ago a dear one referred to my trip to "bethel" and discussion with carey barber.
he asked if he could read them.
AGuest, I am relatively new here so please forgive me if you've answered this question before. Who do you think the "voice" is? Is it Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit, or are they one and the same to you?
And a question for those who seem to know and respect AGuest, what is it about her that makes you differentiate between her and your run-of-the-mill voice-hearing person?
"spawn of satan!".
"apostate!".
those are just a few from jehovah's witnesses towards those who have left the watchtower organization to become a follower of jesus christ.. do they know they are blaspheming against the holy spirit?
Thanks for setting us all straight on the Watchtower's blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, Krettnawe.
Oh wait, you didn't even mention anything about the topic at hand. Maybe your third post will be better. Please keep trying.
minimus got me thinking with his thread about whether or not you know anyone that committed suicide.
i think it might be interesting to see what the opinions are.. what do you think?.
are there cases where it is understandable?
As with all things, it depends on the circumstances.
A terminally ill patient hoping to avoid pain in exchange for giving up a few weeks or months of life should have the right to make that decision.
A terminally stupid teenager who just lost his girlfriend should not.
"spawn of satan!".
"apostate!".
those are just a few from jehovah's witnesses towards those who have left the watchtower organization to become a follower of jesus christ.. do they know they are blaspheming against the holy spirit?
They also blaspheme the Holy Spirit in subtle linguistic ways (mind control):
1. they remove the "the" and simply refer to it as holy spirit
2. they remove the capital letters; it isn't the Holy Spirit to them, it's 'holy spirit'
